The speaking of tongues of which Paul speaks in 1 Corinthians 12-14 is ecstatic speech that hinders communication unless an interpreter is provided. Mirrors of the first century were not as clear as the mirrors of today, for they were dim. Grant, in 2 Cor.3:18, Paul says (NKJV): “But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.” Depending on the translation, the “mirror” is sometimes stated and other times not. 27 Conzelmann, 1 Corinthians, 207, n 9. God shows Himself through His Word today, not personal, physical manifestations. The word “dimly” means an enigma. The basic message is that “love never fails” (1 Cor 13:8). 1 Corinthians 13:12 12 For a now we see through a b glass, † darkly; but then c face to face: now I know y in part; but then d shall I know even as also e I am known. Romans922 Puritan Board Professor. Question: "What does it mean that faith, hope, and love remain (1 Corinthians 13:13)?" '” Again, we have the term “in part.” Paul knew, “in part.” This is the same meaning as 13:9. The purpose of those gifts is to help God’s people in the present age, during their lives in this world. As the pre-canon period is to the child, so the post-canon period is to the adult. passage as he did here in 1 Cor.? This was a thriving city with much evil. Again, the meaning is the same, and the difference is really minor. by Grant Richison | Jan 4, 2003 | 1 Corinthians | 15 comments, “For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. The 2012 movie The Avengers was the story of a group of superheroes that banded together to battle an evil force that was bent on world domination. Although this passage does not refer to the Bible per se, it is implied. Paul’s present knowledge was dim and indistinct, but when the canon would be complete, Christians would have a clear knowledge of God’s mind. 1 Corinthians 13:1 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓] 1 Corinthians 13:1, NIV: "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal." Sickness, violence, war, and hatred seem to exist everywhere we look. But whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with. Sacrifice is important, but without love it is useless, it profits me nothing. Note this exegetical comment from Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. The phrase “just as” needs qualification. Paul’s present knowledge was dim and indistinct, but when the canon would be complete, Christians would have a clear knowledge of God’s mind (2014 AD we should be in that era). [⇑ See verse text ⇑] Paul has been describing our knowledge of God and His ways as incomplete or partial. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as r I have been fully known. This interpretation is problematic for three reasons. We have lost the “fear of the Lord, and speculations run rampant. “Face to face” describes the clear and direct revelation of oneself which believers today possess when they look into the mirror of the Scriptures, God’s completed revelation. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. Wesley's 1-corinthians 13:12 Bible Commentary 13:12 Now we see - Even the things that surround us. “Then” is when the “perfect” of verse 10 will have come. Note the “now”/“but then” contrast. 30 Bock, 1 Corinthians, 2. 9 For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially; 10 but when that which is complete arrives, that which is partial will be done away with. Manney, yes, for revival to come there must be confession and God coming to show Himself and His glory through the Word and work in individuals. Those who love like this have given up on seeking their own status and satisfaction first and foremost. How do the two “mirrors” in these verses relate to one another? 1-11 And the way I will show you is the way of perfection. The more we know the Word, the more we know Christ. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. Mirrors of the first century were not as clear as the mirrors of today, for they were dim. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. “Face to face” is a metaphor for seeing something clearly as over against dimly and is not a reference to seeing God “face to face.” Paul’s knowing in part, repeats his statement of 13:9, where knowing in part was knowledge of God’s revelation. The knowledge of God mediated through revelatory gifts was partial, for the gifts could provide only a partial revelation of God’s mind. … These gifts remain with God’s people, now and always. We can get the big picture by thinking through the chapter with the following outline in mind: love’s indispensability, its beauty, and its permanence. (Daniel 12:4) At the completion of the canon, there would be a clear perspective through which we would look at things. For by one Spirit are we all baptized This is to be understood not of water baptism; for the apostle says not in one, and the same water, but "by", or "in" one Spirit, are we all baptized; the baptism of water, and of the Spirit, are two different things; see ( Matthew 3:11) .Besides, all that are baptized in water, are not baptized in or by the Spirit, as the case of Simon Magus, and that of others, … His statement in 1 Corinthians 13:13 could be literally rendered “faith, hope, and love remains.” Paul’s point is that, essentially, faith, hope, and love are united; what happens to one happens to all. I may have knowledge, but it is still fragmentary, I read as it were on a mirror the reflections which I cannot yet quite make out. At the completion of the canon, there would be a clear perspective through which we would look at things. Let’s meditate on each section for a few moments. that show plainly that we really do, only know in part. 1 Corinthians 13:12. 29 For a discussion of the chiastic structure of 12:12 see Fee, 1 Corinthians, 601. The permanent revelation of God’s mind is more important than the temporary revelation of God through the gifts of prophecy and knowledge. iv. In the present age, God’s people are not perfect, and their relationship with God is not yet complete. We’ll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us! A. “The analogy, of course, breaks down a bit, since one sees one’s own face in a mirror, and Paul’s point is that in our present existence one ‘sees’ God (presumably) … only indirectly.”25 However, Paul’s point is to contrast one looking in a mirror “dimly” with one looking in a mirror “face to face.” Thanks! The apostle Paul told first-century fellow believers: “At present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror.” (1 Corinthians 13:12) Such a mirror did not have the best reflective surface. Ver. 1 Corinthians 13:12 Context. Apparently, some believed that those able to speak in tongues or prophesy were more spiritual than the others. Paul had an only partial revelation in the time he lived. Jan 28, 2009 #1 What does this verse mean: "12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. The words “just as” mean exact correspondence, so we cannot know God fully. Regarding the word “mirror” in 1 Co 13:12, the word is a noun meaning mirror. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. Greeks and Romans made up most the people. 13:12 - Meaning? Note the lexical meaning: There are 42 occurrences of ἐπιγινώσκω in the New Testament: “know” 30 times, “acknowledge” five times, “perceive” three times, “take knowledge of” twice, “have knowledge of” once, and “know well” once. The most likely interpretation is that some Corinthians had undergone baptism to bear witness to the faith of fellow believers who had died without experiencing that rite themselves. Βλέπομεν , we see ) This corresponds in the LXX. That is, if in 1 Cor. When I was a child, &c. — The difference between our present and future conceptions of spiritual things may be illustrated by the knowledge of a child compared to that of a man. However, 1 Corinthians 13:12 and 1 John 3:2 are ... Generally, there are three primary interpretations concerning the meaning of the phrase “that which is perfect is come ” of 1 Corinthians 13:10: (1) Some people believe that that is a reference to us dying and going to heaven, (2) others believe that it refers to when Jesus returns to earth, and (3) others believe that it refers to the completed Bible. What Does 1 Corinthians 12:13 Mean? We have a faith once delivered to the saints: Jude 3, Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. Rather than focusing on sound doctrine, the Corinthians, like today’s charismatics, were too engaged in emotional experiences—especially the gift of tongues (refer to the 40 verses of 1 Corinthians chapter 14). If you tear it apart too much, you lose the beauty. 1 Corinthians 13:1, KJV: "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of … 1 Corinthians Commentary > chapter 13. to perceive, to know i.e. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. None of the gospels was written when Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. (translation: Tagalog: Ang Dating Biblia (1905)) By the way, I appreciate your interpretation because I think the statement that spiritual gifts cease at death is obvious (and so doesn’t need to be stated in Scripture)! Similarly 1 Corinthians 13:12 is referring not to a believer’s future fellowship with God but to revelation from God. The church at Corinth had been established on one of Paul's missionary journeys. That falls short of seeing them in person. … In the present age, God’s people are not perfect, and their relationship with God is not yet complete. A failure to observe this limitation of 1 Corinthians 13:12 is fatal to any true interpretation of this passage. But the NET version quotes Fee and introduces the idea that the two situations being compared in v.9-12 are an “indirect” understanding/relationship (on earth) and a “direct” understanding/relationship(in heaven)! None of the gospels was written when Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. Regarding uses in the Old Testament note this comment: Comment: I think this teaching relates back to verse 8 and the … We are told that love is indispensa… 164 - Not As the World Gives. 1 Corinthians 13 – Agape Love. Childhood is indirect in that it is through the conveyance of a partial canon whereas a full canon would reveal who and what the Lord is most fully. Thread starter Romans922; Start date Jan 28, 2009; Status Not open for further replies. At the conclusion of his visit to … In the future age, when Christ is ruling, those gifts will have achieved their purpose. (1 Corinthians 13:12 RSV) Clearly here he is anticipating the end of life, the dawning of a new day when the morning will break and every shadow will flee away; all the imperfection of life will come to an end, and love will stand face to face with love. Your email address will not be published. Louw-Nida says this: “In order to speak of a reflection of light, it may be necessary to say ‘to throw back the light’ or ‘to shine back the form.’ Sometimes it is necessary to stipulate a type of object which reflects such light, for example, ‘we are a shining object that shows back the glory of the Lord. “For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. After the death of the apostles, the light grew dim for a while, but in recent times Scriptural knowledge has become abundant. George, I am not minimizing the difficulty of interpreting this passage, however, let me offer these answers to your question: What does 1 Corinthians 13:12 mean? 1 Corinthians 12:13(NASB) Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known." The apostle Paul told first-century fellow believers: “At present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror.” (1 Corinthians 13:12) Such a mirror did not have the best reflective surface. There are many gifts that are given through the Holy Spirit, as He chooses, but unless those spiritual gifts are ministered to one another, through love, they are of little significance and of no spiritual value at all. Paul addressed them as babes in … πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον: (an idiom, literally ‘face to face’) the position of one person facing another, with the implication of direct, personal interaction—‘face to face.’ τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον ‘but then face to face’ 1 Cor 13:12. 13:8-12) is to state how Paul develops the theme of love in 1 Corinthians 13as a whole. 2 Co 3:18, But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror (the Bible) the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. Barnes's 1-corinthians 13:11 Bible Commentary When I was a child - The idea here is, that the knowledge which we now have, compared with that which we shall have in heaven, is like that which is possessed in infancy compared with that we have in manhood; and that as, when we advance in years, we lay aside, as unworthy of our attention, the views, feelings, and plans which we had in boyhood, and which we then … The supremacy of love. Wesley's 1-corinthians 13:12 Bible Commentary 13:12 Now we see - Even the things that surround us. In 1 Corinthians 12, he uses the extended metaphor of the human body to illustrate that every gift from every member is important to "the big picture" of what Christ wants to do with His body. This may have created yet another reason for division in the church, along with jealousy or a sense of inferiority. God’s glory is eternal because of the presence of the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 13:12 - For now we see only a reflection as in - Bible Gateway. 13:12? When God’s revelation would be complete in the canon, Christians would know God’s revealed truth fully. The contrast is between the fading glory of Moses with the growing glory of God. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.". This view also finds support indirectly because of the role the gifts of prophecy and knowledge played in the completion of the New Testament canon. I’m interested in the interpretation of “face to face”. 3:18 still refer to revelation, or specifically to the New Covenant–and isn’t that still “revelation” of the Word? We do not have similar knowledge to God as He has to us in an exact correspondent fashion. 12:8 etc) to infer that its when believers are with Christ. For the first time I understand this piece of scripture , Your email address will not be published. Thus one Christian may receive one type of gift while another receives a different gift. An enigma is a puzzle. They desire to know God and to see him. Paul’s reference to the … Regarding the word “mirror” in 1 Co 13:12, the word is a noun meaning mirror. Answer: First Corinthians 12 talks about spiritual gifts, which are distributed by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4). And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:12 12 For p now we see in a mirror dimly, but q then face to face. I prophesy partially, not fully and perfectly, and so is it with other gifts of the kind, tongues and healing and so on. Ancient mirrors were of polished metal, easily tarnished, and any image … I may have knowledge, but it is still fragmentary, I read as it were on a mirror the reflections which I cannot yet quite make out. The word “dimly” means in enigma. 1 Corinthians 13:12. Of course these verses are in metaphoric or parabolic language. 52 Harold W. Hoehner, "The Purpose of Tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:20-25," in Walvoord: A Tribute, ed. How did God create us? That happen before the completion of the canon. For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. This Greek phrase seems unique in the New Testament. 13:12 he was saying the “mirror” was the Word/revelation but that it was “dim” because it was incomplete revelation, does the “mirror” of 2 Cor. Read Genesis 1:27. Go To 1 Corinthians Index. The only way we can know Him today is through the Word. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as r I have been fully known. George, I would have no brief with “indirect” as the interpretation. Deb, the Greek word in 2 Co 3:18 is a term for sensory state or event (katoptrizw)for “seeing.” It is a different word than in 1 Co 13:12 (esoptrou). Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even … — 1 Corinthians 13:12. There is gross over interpretation of this term when people try to imply that the Greek term ipso facto means heaven. This is translated into English as "charity" in the King James version; but the word "love" is … Paul separates time into two great periods: the present age, and the future age. But it won’t be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! The supremacy of love. When the “perfect” comes, it will supersede the partial. However, I can’t see how this explanation relates to the first illustration of childhood compared to adulthood. ... 1 Corinthians 13:2(NASB) Verse Thoughts. While the expression “face to face” in other contexts may refer to fellowship, nevertheless in 1 Corinthians 13:12 it describes the difference between seeing oneself in a mirror dimly and seeing oneself in a mirror face to face. First, it seems to mix metaphors. Secondary means of knowledge cannot convey a clear image, only direct knowledge can. In 1 Corinthians 13:8 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never fails: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. Donald K. Campbell (Chicago: Moody Press, 1982), 55, argues that since: 1) the term glwvssa usually refers to a known language; 2) tongues need to be interpreted; 3) Isaiah refers to real human languages of the Assyrians and 4) Acts 2:4 appears to be real languages; 5) Luke and Paul seem to … To see God and to know God 1 Corinthians 13:12. Also, I see that the Greek word translated “know fully” is also used in 1 Cor. As seeing in a mirror dimly is a metaphor, so is the phrase “face to face” a metaphor. Alan Redpath said one could get a spiritual suntan from the warmth of this chapter. There are up to 200 different explanations for the passage; a summary is given by K. C. Thompson, “I Corinthians 15,29 and Baptism for the Dead,” Studia Evangelica 2.1 (TU 87), 647-59. Miriam and Aaron’s charge against Moses concerned his role as a prophet: “Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses?” (v. 2). Regarding the parallel between 1 & 2 Co–the idea in 1st Co is revelation but the idea in 2nd Co is specifically the glory of God per se. Paul spoke of the meaning of Godly love in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. John had not written his gospel, his three letters, or the book of Revelation. (1 Corinthians 13:12) Context: 8 Love never fails. One translator describes what "we see in a mirror, dimly," as "a riddle and an enigma." 1 Corinthians 13:11-12 Paul admonishes us—by instructing us "to put away childish things" (verse 11), as well as his reference to a mirror (verse 12)—that love is something we grow in. 33:11; Num. Neither expression is literal, so this does not refer to seeing God in heaven. Love is not rude, meaning that it does not act indecently, sinning and breaking cultural norms to bring attention to one's self. G. Campbell Morgan wrote that examining this chapter is like dissecting a flower to understand it. A. Paul introduces a second illustration of the difference of understanding between finished revelation and his present state of incomplete revelation – the mirror. … to the Hebrew words ראה and חזה , 1 Samuel 9:9 ; 1 Chronicles 29:29 , concerning the Prophets; and this passage has a synecdoche of the nobler species for the whole genus; and along with the verb, we see, supply, and hear, for the prophets both see and hear; and it was usual generally to add words to visions. But they really do refer to our knowledge of spiritual understanding being incomplete here on earth but made whole, of course in heaven. The city of Corinth was believed to be a city of about 600,000 people when this was written to them. Was the sanctuary in the wilderness like the temple in heaven? Job, 8:9 and 1Cor.8:2,3. speak to the vast knowledge of spiritual things of which we know nothing. The city of Corinth produced some of the best-polished bronze mirrors in the world at that time. (Yes, it was a “copy and shadow of the heavenly things.”) Let’s get back to 1 Corinthians. (1 Corinthians 13:12) Context: 8 Love never fails. 1 Corinthians 13:12 Meaning of Verse with Simple Commentary. How is childhood indirect and adulthood direct? We have a much more fully developed revelation in a complete canon. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.”. If you tear it apart too much, you lose the beauty. Scriptural Translation What does this quote really mean? Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known" (1 Corinthians 13:11-12). 31 Conzelmann, 1 Corinthians, 211, n 7 and n 8. The word “for” is a term of explanation, indicating that the analogies in this verse are explaining and reinforcing the analogy in verse 11. An enigma is a puzzle. Commentary on 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 (Read 1 Corinthians 13:1-3 ) The excellent way had in view in the close of the former chapter, is not what is meant by charity in our common use of the word, almsgiving, but love in its fullest meaning; true love to God and man. * 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 KJV For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 1 Corinthians 13 – Agape Love. We remind ourselves of our loved ones by pictures. 1 Corinthians 13:8 “Love never fails. Paul regards it as a legitimate gift, but neither as the greatest gift nor as essential (1 Corinthians 13:1). 1. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.”. 1 Corinthians 13:12 contains the phrase βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι' ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι (blepomen gar arti di esoptrou en ainigmati), which was translated in the 1560 Geneva Bible as "For now we see through a glass darkly" (without a comma), which wording was used in … What does it mean to know just as I also am known? Just look at the “modern” versions of the bible, disagreeable commentaries, denominational bias, etc. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. But my question is: Did Paul use the idea of the “mirror” of God’s Word the same way in the 2 Cor. Please note: follow the buttons in the right column below to clarify word meanings, find related verses, and get a deeper understanding. The implication of this idiom in 1 Cor 13:12 is that there will be clear understanding, and in some languages it is necessary to shift somewhat the figurative expression. 1 Corinthians 13:12 12 For p now we see in a mirror dimly, but q then face to face. Mirrors in Bible times were usually made of highly polished metal. 1 Corinthians 13:1, ESV: "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal." 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